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R 13 : *SYSTEM* | Switching to Science & UFO CO
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Hi, JB!
JB (not the Scotch) | Hi, bear with me, just getting the hang of
| this...
Cult Of The Mad Dog | <>
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Welcome to UFO, then!
| Hi, COTMD!
Cult Of The Mad Dog | <> Hiya Deb : )
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Mark?
Cult Of The Mad Dog | Hi JB!
JB (not the Scotch) | Saw the notice and thought I'd check it out
Cult Of The Mad Dog | At your service.
Debbie H/SL13&21 | I'm glad, JB!
| Thought so.
| back!
| So - anything happening tonight?
Cult Of The Mad Dog | You CO?
JB (not the Scotch) | With regard to WHAT ??
Cult Of The Mad Dog | Your even.
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Sorta, Mark.
| Just wondered...
| if the two of you had any particular topic.
| Hi, Admiral!
Mark | Ummmm.....gimme a sec, I had something on a
| bit of paper.
Admiral Smith | HI, Debbie
| Sorry, a bit slow tonight
Mark | Hi Ryan! :)
Debbie H/SL13&21 | What's that, Mark?
Mark | It was something I read today......
Admiral Smith | Cult of the mad dog, huh?
Mark | about an asteroid........
Admiral Smith | Variation of cult of the mad cow?
Mark | that came VERY near to hitting us.......
Debbie H/SL13&21 | When, Mark?
Mark | but suddenly changed course!!.......
JB (not the Scotch) | Very near in galactic terms???
Debbie H/SL13&21 | No way!
Mark | it was a few months back.
JB (not the Scotch) | as in a few million miles
Mark | JB : Yup, like a few miles.
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Mark, I'm skeptical.
Mark | Yes, Way ........
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Can you give us a date?
JB (not the Scotch) | Would an event of that proximity wreak havoc
| on the
| tides, etc...???
Mark | seriously I took the info down on a piece of
| paper rather than
| buy the whole magazine .......
Debbie H/SL13&21 | It would depend on how big and how close, JB.
| HI, Frank!
Frank Stanley | Hi Debbie and All
JB (not the Scotch) | Yeah and mass too, I'm sure (less mass
| probably
| like a gnat on you at the beach...)
Mark | And now I cant find were I've put it <>
Frank Stanley | What's the topic?
Admiral Smith | If it was the size of the thing in ID4, it
| would kill a
| few tides
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Mark read about an asteroid that almost hit
| the
| earth.
| I STILL haven't seen ID4.
|
Mark | Me neither, not out here till Aug 9th. : (
JB (not the Scotch) | You must be tho only one...
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Probably!
Frank Stanley | When did this happen?
Debbie H/SL13&21 | That's what we're trying to find out, Frank.
Mark | A few months back Frank.
JB (not the Scotch) | I hear ID4 (pt. 2) ins already on the board...
Frank Stanley | Where did you learn about this Mark?
Mark | In "Focus" magazine.
| This months issue.
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Hi, Susanne!
Frank Stanley | Im sorry what is Focus?
| Hi Sus
§usanne | Hi! :)
| Debbie, you can call me Sus... its easier.
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Hi, Daniel!
Admiral Smith | Hi Dan
Mark | Its a UK magazine, kind of like a "Whats New
| In The World
| Of Technology" magazine.
Daniel Roberts | Hello to all--is this a formal conference?
Debbie H/SL13&21 | No it isn't, Daniel.
Daniel Roberts | TNX
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Mark, is it available over here?
| Do you have any ideas?
| Oh, and Frank....
| I have a question for you.
Mark | Im not sure Deb, would have to check.
Debbie H/SL13&21 | I'll look for it.
JB (not the Scotch) | So mark, have you found the article yet...or
| should I
| drop off and surf the net for it...
Mark | JB : I didnt buy the mag, I just noted down a
| few details on a
| piece of paper which I cant find at the
| moment.
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Well, keep looking, Mark.
| Frank....
| are you keeping up with the work of Dr. Roger
| Leir?
| Hi, Sarak!
Frank Stanley | I know about it but do not regularly keep up
| with it.
| What is going on Debbie?
Admiral Smith | Hi Sarak
Sarak | Hello
Debbie H/SL13&21 | That's what I hoped you knew!
Sarak | Please don't let me interupt, continue
Debbie H/SL13&21 | he was waiting for some test results.
Admiral Smith | What's Sarak?
Frank Stanley | Is he the son of the Lear jet magnet?
Sarak | Spokes father
| Spocks father
Frank Stanley | That's Spock
Debbie H/SL13&21 | That's what I thought.
Frank Stanley | GMTA
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Whew!
§usanne |
Debbie H/SL13&21 | So - no one has heard anything about the
| analysis?
§usanne | Nope... sorry.
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Well, rats.
Daniel Roberts | Analysis of what?
Debbie H/SL13&21 | I was hoping someone had.
Admiral Smith | Sorry Sarak, you're wrong
| Spock's father was named Sarek
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Daniel, Dr. Leir is the one overseeing the
| removal
| of implants...
Admiral Smith | Sorry
Debbie H/SL13&21 | from several abductees.
Admiral Smith | I'm very slow tonight
Frank Stanley | Oh that Dr. Leir
Daniel Roberts | OIC!
Frank Stanley | He is not the guy who carries them around in
| a case is
| he?
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Yes.
| No, that's Darryl Sims.
Mark | <>
Daniel Roberts | Deb (may I call you that?) What are the
| implants for??
Sarak | Thank you, I just took the name for those of
| you who
| I have spoken to, you know me as Mark M.
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Sure, Daniel.
| Hi, Tom!
§usanne | Hi Tom!!! :)
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Daniel, the people involved just knew they
| were
| there.
Tom G | Evening, all!
Sarek | Hello Tom
Debbie H/SL13&21 | And he took two of 'em outta someone's big
| toe..
| he's a podiatrist...
| and is supervising taking them outta some
| other
| people.
Daniel Roberts | Howdy, Tom! Deb: But what do they do?
| Tracking devices or what? Mind control??
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Daniel, they don't know.
| Tom - keeping up with the implant removal?
Tom G | Damn silly place to put an implant, though.
| Think about it - the big toe is used for all
| kinds of sensory input.
Debbie H/SL13&21 | no kidding!
| So why there?
| It's not like they wanted them there!
Mark | Last place you would look?
Tom G | Debbie - not really.
Debbie H/SL13&21 | The people, I mean, Tom.
| They wanted them out.
| What's your take on all this, then?
Daniel Roberts | Big toe is necessary feedback sensor for
| equilibrium--direct tap to the
| brain/cerebellum?
Tom G | I think a certain podiatrist has discovered a
| new way to make some money. :-)
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Tom, I talked to him.
Daniel Roberts | People who lose theri big toe through
| accidenty have a lot of difficulty with
| balance, gait, and spatial relations.
Debbie H/SL13&21 | I don't feel that way at all.
Tom G | I mean - look. If I needed to put a tracker
| in somebody, I'd pick one of the large and
| not-terribly enervated
| muscles - the thigh or the bicep.
Raven/SL16 | Evenin' ya'll!
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Tom, fair enough.
| Hi, Rave!
Daniel Roberts | Deb: Wherre else have these implants beeen
| found?
Tom G | Raven, Sugah!
Raven/SL16 | Hey Deb!
Debbie H/SL13&21 | But I saw the video of the implant removal.
Daniel Roberts | Hello Raven!
Raven/SL16 | Tom Tom Sugah!
Frank Stanley | Hi Rave
Raven/SL16 | Hen Daniel!
Debbie H/SL13&21 | These things were deep.
Raven/SL16 | Hiya Frank!
| Hey too.
Sarek | If you belive as I that Aliens are the
| missing link and
| the orientals are closest in features and
| mind
| capacity in their beliefs, you must refer to
| the
| concept of accupunture. The big toe is
| considered
| the window to the body, so it would make
| sense that
| is where they would implant a monitoring
| device
§usanne | Hi Raven! :)
Debbie H/SL13&21 | And, according to Dr. Leir...
Raven/SL16 | Hi Sus!
Debbie H/SL13&21 | there were no external scars where the
| implants
| could have been put in.
| Sarek....
| I didn't realize that.
| Okay, Tom....
Sarek | To lift a nail and put it back would not show
| any
| evidence of probing
Debbie H/SL13&21 | have you read anything about the metallic
| analysis?
Mark | Nope, sorry, can't find that bit of paper,
| when I do I'll post
| in this section.
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Thanks, Mark!
Tom G | Yeah - that's bogus as well. At least the one
| I read was. It's all biologically active
| material..
Frank Stanley | Debbie is there any new leaks out of NASA
| regarding
| astronauts experiences with UFOs
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Nope, Frank.
| No way!
Tom G | *not* what you would make an implant out of.
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Won't happen.
| Is there any possibility that the material is
| a
| superconductor?
| The bismuth layering is odd.
Daniel Roberts | Frank: Know the official NASA book "This New
| Ocean"??
Tom G | Look - I have metal in *me* - courtesy of
| some over-zealous troopies on the ground...
Sarek | Pick up any good radio stations Tom?
Frank Stanley | Never head of it Daniel what is it?
Tom G | fragments of FMJ that are too small to bother
| taking out. The only thing left is the outer
| jacket - the inner jacket
| got absorbed long ago.
Daniel Roberts | Official NASA history of Project Mecury.
| Gordon Cooper's statements in there are very
| revealing.
Frank Stanley | What does he say?
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Tom, have you read anything about the
| preliminary
| findings of the analysis of the implants?
| Yes, Daniel, what?
Tom G | Some time ago, Deb. I'll have to dig 'em out
| one of these days.
Daniel Roberts | Abouy the craft seen in close earth orbit by
| John Gleen, G. Cooper and others--later NASA
| issued a retraction publication.
Debbie H/SL13&21 | I'm looking at 'em.
Tom G | Are they in a reviewed publication?
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Nope, International MUFON proceedings.
JB (not the Scotch) | I was cut off, anythings happen...???
Debbie H/SL13&21 | He says the formal analysis will be.
| JB, talking about the Gemini sightings...
| and the implant removal.
| Hi, John!
John | Hello
Debbie H/SL13&21 | I'm trying to get Bruce in here.
Raven/SL16 | Hey John!
John | Hey Raven!
Admiral Smith | Hi Bruce
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Hey, Bruce!
JB (not the Scotch) | Debbie, I was asking a question about your
| sig..
Debbie H/SL13&21 | We were talking about the implant removal.
JB (not the Scotch) | Doe it mean something ?
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Oh, JB!
Bruce Maccabee | Hi Admiral....
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Sorry.
| Yes, it means I'm the Section Leader of
| sections 13
| and 21.
Raven/SL16 | Hiya Bruce!
Frank Stanley | Hi Dr,. Maccabee
Bruce Maccabee | NEVERMORE!!!
Frank Stanley | Anything new on the UFO front?
Debbie H/SL13&21 | LOL!
Raven/SL16 | Smartie.
Debbie H/SL13&21 | John!!!
| Hi!
John | yes
Bruce Maccabee | Always something new on the UFO front..
Atheistic Soul | HoD
Debbie H/SL13&21 | What's new, Bruce?
Atheistic Soul | Bruce, why aren't more UFOlogists more
| critical of the UFOs?
Tom G | Heya, Bruce! See my message over on da "Evil
| Empire"?
Bruce Maccabee | I suppose you people are aware of the
| Nightline show a week ago...
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Oh, yeah, Bruce.
Daniel Roberts | Wuzzat?
Bruce Maccabee | Yeah... I Encountered your message
Mark | Opps...Hi Bruce.
Debbie H/SL13&21 | LOL!
Atheistic Soul | Yeppers, pretty lame. Another UFO show
| stating "it ain't science", but not bothering
| to actually bring up any actual scientists st
| udying the phenomeon, reporting the
| phenomenon, etc.
Frank Stanley | No can you enighten?
Tom G | LOL, Bruce!
Atheistic Soul | Except you of course Bruce.
Admiral Smith | Hi, Sarek
Atheistic Soul | You were a God.
Bruce Maccabee | For Frank:
Daniel Roberts | Ga, pl;ease, AS
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Oh, you say the sweetest things!
Bruce Maccabee | Nightline did a UFO special'
| in honor of ID4 or ID$
| last t uesday
Frank Stanley | LOL Bruce
Daniel Roberts | Even Letterman did one!!!
Sarek | Involuntarily beamed out but I'm back
Debbie H/SL13&21 |
Bruce Maccabee | they started off with a videot ape smuggled
| from the Air Force to a reporter
| for Nightline (t he producer, actually)
JB (not the Scotch) | Not in honor of, but to suck off of (like a
| remora...)
Bruce Maccabee | This was to be their piece de resistance...
| but it turned out to be mre of a resistance
| than a piece....
Daniel Roberts | My oh My! Another smuggled videotape!
Bruce Maccabee | They called me up a week in advance to tell
| me about it
| and ask if I would analyze it while being
| videoed...
| but, sorry, you can't see it first!
| So I had to come up with an answer.... cold.
John W. Ratcliff | What's your answer hot?
Bruce Maccabee | They had already showed i.t to Bob Nathan
| formerly of JPL
| who immediately sad "why, its a meteor."
Tom G | Yep. And if you read the messages that Bruce
| and I have been exchanging, you'll see...
Bruce Maccabee | The ABC correspondent, Guillen, expected me
| to either endorrse that or
| ssay it was a UFO.
Tom G | the difficulities involved in actually
| *doing* anything with this bit of tape.
Bruce Maccabee | ABC had already ruled out the AF explanation
| - airplane - because you
| could see some stars pass "between" the
| assumed wing l/ights and the
| main body light...
| i.n other words, did not appear to be a solid
| structure connecting the main
| three lights.
John W. Ratcliff | Nah, it was meteor's in formation.
Bruce Maccabee | So, the first thing I told >Guillen was "This
| is the worst investigation I have
| ever done."
Daniel Roberts | Meteors "in formation"??????
Bruce Maccabee | They told me a field of view T HEY THO>UGHT
| (5 degrees) and we
| determine the time and date from info on the
| unclassified tape.
| Did not know which of several telescope on
| Mrt Haleakala i.n Maui took
| the video
Daniel Roberts | Arent meteors random??
Bruce Maccabee | Did not know ANYTHING about which direction
| the telescope was
| pointed....
Sarek | That's what I thought
Bruce Maccabee | So I was shooting in the dark... and
| convinced Michael Guillen that
| A BIG QUESTION MARK was the appropriuate
| answer.
Mulderwanabe | uh oh, what'd I do. Where am I?
Sus/Busy | bye everyone :)
Bruce Maccabee | Aparently my approach impressed them enough
| so that Tec Koppel
| admitted that they could not identify this...
| thing or things...shown on the
| video.
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Hi, MWB.
Daniel Roberts | CYA Sus!
Bruce Maccabee | I am still trying to get more info.... Will
| l/et you know what it turns out to
| be.. if we can fi.nd out.
| ga
Debbie H/SL13&21 | No luck on getting a copy of the video, Bruce?
Daniel Roberts | BRuce: Why were they asking you all this?
Mulderwanabe | I just joined this forum 5 seconds ago and I
| think I ran into a
| private meating of some kind.
Debbie H/SL13&21 | No, not at all, MWB.
| It's an open conference.
| Just chime in.
Mulderwanabe | cool
Admiral Smith | chime
Tom G | Even a copy of the video isn't going to be
| much help without a *lot* of background data.
Daniel Roberts | Chimes of freedom, clashing
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Tom, the video itself could help rule out a
| lot of
| things.
Mulderwanabe | what do you do here?
JB (not the Scotch) | How's that Deb ?
Debbie H/SL13&21 | We're currently talking about the Nightline
| Special
| on UFOs last week, JB.
| Science and UFOs, MWB.
Tom G | Debbie - nope. Not without a *lot* of
| additional data - like the integration time
| and imaging band of the FPA.
JB (not the Scotch) | I know, i've been listening, how could the
| tape
| help rule thing out ?
Bruce Maccabee | I have not yet received t he promised copy of
| the video.
Mulderwanabe | Well, as long as I'm not butting in.
Debbie H/SL13&21 | JB - like Bruce said...
| No, not at all, MWB!
Sarek | You won't Bruce
Bruce Maccabee | T he i.mages are NOT what I would expect of
| either a meteor group or a
| satelliate group. T hey are much bigger
| (longer) the point images.
Debbie H/SL13&21 | he can rule out that it's planes or meteors.
| Bruce, have you heard *anything* since the
| airing?
Mulderwanabe | Well, I missed the show so I can't really say
| much.
Bruce Maccabee | I can't absolutely rule out anything until I
| k`now the angle of elevation...
Daniel Roberts | Anyone else recently purchase a copy of the
| *Santilli Video* from the Roswell encounter?
JB (not the Scotch) | By just the tape, and no reference data ???
Bruce Maccabee | however the least probable is airplane
Debbie H/SL13&21 | No, why, Daniel?
| JB, you can rule things out.
| Not prove anything, though.
Admiral Smith | Nah, the least probable is a flying moose
Tom G | Bruce - exactly. And I agree with that
| statement.
Bruce Maccabee | A flying moose.... By George, I think he's
| got it!!!
Daniel Roberts | *Santilli Video* seeems somewhat bogus, after
| viewing it--about 2.5 hrs.
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Must get moose and squirrel.
Bruce Maccabee | T he metoer hypothesis is also flawed:
| these three main bright lights
| were all about equal in image brightness and
| size
Tom G | Hmmmmm - Have Rocky and Bullwinkle been
| hanging around Tonopoh?
Bruce Maccabee | all three traveled at the same rate wit the
| middle one a bit ahead of the
| ones above and below
Debbie H/SL13&21 | But, Bruce - is that not possible?
Bruce Maccabee | You don't get meteors traveling "in echelon"
| through space...
| T herefore it woul have to be a large
| meteor/fireball that broke up
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Is that a definite, or an improbable?
Bruce Maccabee | but different sized chunks travel at
| different rates through the atmosphere
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Ah.
Bruce Maccabee | so in this case we would have to have a rare
| breaku p of a meteor into
Admiral Smith | Maybe a meteor that hit something and broke
| up,
| and the peices stayed at about the same
| velocity
Frank Stanley | Bruce, what is the best peice of photographic
| evidence
| you have analyzed so far of UFOs?
Bruce Maccabee | three equal parts.... plus a cuple of tiny
| ones on either side of t he central
| main one
| So ...I don't quite buy that....
Tom G | *Plus* they'd have to keep station purty
| darned well.
Sarek | I believe the only time we'll know the true
| is when someone in project blue book or
| another
| agency knows he's about to die from a disease
| and is not afraid of any repercussions and
| then tells all he know's. Un til the they'll
| just keep us guessing
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Hi, Lynda!
Lynda | Hi Debbie
Admiral Smith | Even if he did feel like that, We may never
| get to
| know
Daniel Roberts | Hello lynda!
Bruce Maccabee | If meteors are different sizes the smaller
| ones slow down faster.... would
| expect a sizeable different in position
| rather than having them all at about
| the same point in t he travel path
Lynda | Hi Daniel
Daniel Roberts | Bruce: what is your background in
| investigating this?
Tom G | I'd also expect a different video signature.
| Those FPA's are designed for mag. 12 and
| below - big fat blooms get
| seen with in-bound bolides.
Sarek | Hey Dan it's Mark M. Now going by Sarek,
| Enjoyed our discussion the other day
Bruce Maccabee | T here has also been a suggestion of a group
| of satellites... but these
| things, if at satellite altitude and if t he
| telescope was at a low angular
| elevation, were several miles apart....
Daniel Roberts | Oh--howdy Sarek!
| Much to thinl about since then.
Sarek | Hope it helped you
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Guys....
| let's go formal here.
| If you have a question, please type a ?
Daniel Roberts | OK Deb!
Debbie H/SL13&21 | If you have a comment, type a !.
| Bruce - you game?
Mark | !
Debbie H/SL13&21 | This will simplify this.
| Bruce, go ahead.
| Please!
Bruce Maccabee | GA
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Mark, you have a comment?
Sarek | ?
Bruce Maccabee | Go Mark
| Where is Mark?
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Mark's having computer problems...
| GA, Sarek.
Bruce Maccabee | Frank asked earlier what is the best video I
| have analyzed
Mulderwanabe | I lost my the connection when the stupid
| phone
| rang. Sorry.
Debbie H/SL13&21 | MWB,
Mulderwanabe | I hate phones.
Bruce Maccabee | So I suggest Ed Walters of July 21, 1995...
| reported on at the MUFON symposium
Debbie H/SL13&21 | we've gone formal.
| Type a ? if you have a question....a ! if you
| have a
| comment.
Mulderwanabe | meaning?
Sarek | Bruce we just dicovered recently about
| sprites above thunder clouds, following that
| direction,
| could what you viewed been a natural
| phenomenon that we haven't dicovered or was
| it
| artifical in origin?
| In your opinion
Bruce Maccabee | You mean what is on te video shown by
| Nightline?
Mulderwanabe | I have to go.
Bruce Maccabee | bye
Sarek | Yes
Bruce Maccabee | T he answer is no... no sprites would do
| this...
Sarek | I not saying they were sprites
| the ? is natural or artifical in origin
Bruce Maccabee | As for other natural phenomena we haven't
| discovered.... always hard to say wht teh
| undiscovered could do!
| ga
Sarek | In your opinion
| artifical or natural
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Bruce, do you want to answer Frank's question
| now?
| About the most compelling evidence you've
| examined?
Bruce Maccabee | I gave an answer already...
JB (not the Scotch) | ?
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Oh, so you did.
|
Bruce Maccabee | Ed's video of last July... which shows a
| shadow on trees of a UFO that was 7000 ft
| from the
| camera!
Frank Stanley | Is the analysis in the MUFON journal?
Bruce Maccabee | Yes
| No
| In the Symp proceedings
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Right.
Bruce Maccabee | DEbbie saw it at the Symp
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Yes.
Bruce Maccabee | ga
Debbie H/SL13&21 | I did.
| JB, GA.
JB (not the Scotch) | Bruce, what is you background in this area ?
Frank Stanley | Can I get them from MUFON?
Bruce Maccabee | My friend Jack Daniels provides good support
| when needed...
Tom G |
Bruce Maccabee | but mainly I have been analyzeing photos and
| films and now videos for twenty years (or,
| gulp)
| more)
| ga
VINNY | ?
Daniel Roberts | ?
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Vinny, GA
Frank Stanley | GA
VINNY | I have a few pictures i nedd to be
| looked over
| where would i send them?
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Type a GA when you're done, Vinny.
VINNY | sorry ga
Bruce Maccabee | You could cont act local MUFON representative
| to investigate the photos.. provide tecnical
| details and t hen he could send them to me or
| to Jeff >Sainio, another MUFON photoanalyst
| ga
JB (not the Scotch) | !
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Daniel, GA
JB (not the Scotch) | Bye all, gotta run ...GA
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Daniel?
Daniel Roberts | Bruce: why is it for 50+ years its been so
| hard to focus cameras on UFOs?? Your
| opinion--GA
Bruce Maccabee | please leave the J&B
Debbie H/SL13&21 |
Daniel Roberts | HIC!
Bruce Maccabee | I don't know what you mean... t here are lots
| of photos, many of which probably are NOT
| hoaxes.... and many of the non-hoaxes are
| quite sharp.
Daniel Roberts | ?
VINNY | ?
Bruce Maccabee | Of course, t he debunkers/skeptics won't tell
| you this,... they say all is explained and
| any good
| photos are hoaxes.... so one may get the
| IMPRESSION that there re no good photos, and
| then ask "why".
| GA
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Bruce, in your opinion, what WAS on the video
| you
| saw on the Nightline Special? GA
Sarek | ?
Bruce Maccabee | I don't know what WAS on the video... at
| present I can only say I am quite sure it
| wasn't an
| airplane, I am moderatelyl sure it wasn't a
| meteor, and I don't think it was a
| collection of
| satellites... however these "sureties" are
| based on incomplete data... so they aren't
| very
| sure after all,
Tom G | !
Bruce Maccabee | ga
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Daniel, GA
Daniel Roberts | Yield to next question... must step out for a
| minute! More ..
Debbie H/SL13&21 | VINNY, GA
Daniel Roberts | Node going down!
Bruce Maccabee | watch y our step!
VINNY | Have you ever analyized an alien photo?What
| I
| have seems to be a picture of an
| alien, but it is
| a very dark photo. would the photo still
| be worth
| looking at?ga
Bruce Maccabee | I have seen one photo of a likely alien...
| not the standard grey... the Ilkley Moor
| photo from
| England....... A dark photo may still
| contai.n useful information. GA
VINNY | i'm afraid to give the photo out!
Bruce Maccabee | T hen I guess it will remain a private
| photo...GA
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Sarek, GA
Bruce Maccabee | I got a letter with enclosures te other day
| from a guy who is now seeing aliens in almost
| ALL
| the pit=ctures he takes.
| GA
Sarek | Thanks I just got back from a dissconnection
| Bruce what is the most revealing photo you
| have ever seen and where can we get a copy?
VINNY | ?
Bruce Maccabee | T he most revealing... probably somewhere in
| a Playboy magazine......
| T he most likely to be a UFO....
Debbie H/SL13&21 | BRUCE!
|
Frank Stanley | ROFLMAO
Bruce Maccabee | Well, how about the T rindade photo of
| January 1958 taken by a photogrpher on board
| a
| Brazliian Naval vessel.....
LeGiON | hehe
Bruce Maccabee | T here are others... e.g., McMinnville....
| you can get copies of photos by contacting
| MUFON
| headquarters.... there are some people who
| sell copies of the photos
| ga
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Tom, GA
Tom G | The problem with the Nightline video is that
| there is a *lot* of data missing. We don't
| know...
| which instrument was used, where it was
| pointing, the camera in use....
Sarek | ?
Tom G | that video could show anything from an
| airplane to a sat constellation to a real
| UFO. We just don't know.
| ga
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Comment, Bruce?
Bruce Maccabee | I would like to see a bunch of videos of
| other stuff picked up by the telescope for
| comparison... but they probably wont show me!
| ga
Tom G |
Debbie H/SL13&21 | VINNY, GA
VINNY | I dont see aliens all the time but i
| investigate
| an area where there is alot of Ufo activity.
| Also i
| have a ton of pictures with tesla globes
| on them .
| what are they and are they related to
| Ufos?I also
| get these strange squiggly lines on them
| in all
| shades of color, any ideas. not camera shake
| ,i
Debbie H/SL13&21 | ?
VINNY | always use a tripod and very high speed
| film......
| ga
Tom G | I'll be back in a bit...got a minor crisis
| here.
Bruce Maccabee | I h ave seen photos similar to wht you
| describe.... colored lines, squiggles... etc.
| presumably not due to camera shake. Do't
| know what to make of them. Give me the
| daytime....structured object shots... the
| ones which are clearly either hoaxes or THE
| REAL
| THING...... t hat's where the real payoff
| is (high risk, high payoff ) GA
Daniel Roberts | ?
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Sarek, GA
Sarek | Bruce what is the best web site(s) for
| archival info and photos you know of and what
| are their
| addresses? What is your address if you don't
| mind? GA
LeGiON | ?
Bruce Maccabee | Minor crises take only a minute or so.....
| the major ones take a little longer.
| I don't know. I haven't time to get myself
| trapped on THE WEB!
Debbie H/SL13&21 |
Bruce Maccabee | GA
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Debbie, GA.
| Thanks!
| Bruce, do you have any comments on the
| sightings
| being made in the Virginha area of Brazil
| right now?
| And thanks for joining us tonight, by the
| way! GA
VINNY | ?
Sarek | ?
Bruce Maccabee | I don't know anything other than what I have
| picked up from reading..... I'm quite sure
| that
| something happened.... don't know exactly
| what... according to a post on the E forum
| there is
| now talk of the American intelligence
| communit y being involved... if so, we can
| bend over
| and kiss that case goodbye!
| ga
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Daniel, GA
Daniel Roberts | More to Deb than Bruce Do you mean the
| "Minas Gerais" area of Brazil?
Debbie H/SL13&21 | I think that's the same area, isn't it,
| Daniel?
| Virginha encompasses more...
| but I'm not sure.
Bruce Maccabee | Sounds familiar...
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Anyone else wanna chime in?
| I can look it up.
Sarek | Does MUFON have a web site and what is it? GA
| sORRY dEB PREMATURE
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Hang on, Sarek.
|
Daniel Roberts | Possibly--highly cryastalline area--famous
| fro emeralds, tourmalines and other
| crystals.
| GA Deb
Bruce Maccabee | MUFON does have a web site.... I don't
| recall the URL
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Sarek....
| I don't have the URL right now.
| But I can get it for you.
| Bruce, do you?
Bruce Maccabee | I don't hav e it handy by
Debbie H/SL13&21 | I can get it.
Bruce Maccabee | ga
Sarek | I would appreciate an E mail when you do
Debbie H/SL13&21 | I'll get it in just a sec.
| LeGION, GA
LeGiON | I recently saw an episode of "Sightings" in
| which you were
| talking about a "Waterspout" UFO picture
| taken in 1994 I
| think and was wondering what that picture
| showed as I missed
| the start of that segment of the program. ga
Bruce Maccabee | Are you in the forEIGN leGION? The
| picture to which you refer was yet another
| taken by Ed
| Walters... this one in April, 1994. It
| shows a UFO hovering over the water south of
| Gulf
| Breeze and a thin lie of water extends up to
| teh UFO... Ed said it was like a waterspout
| that
| rose upward to the UFO for a minute or so
| and then dropped away before the UFO took
| off.
| GA
LeGiON | Yes Im Foreign, well Irish anyways
| ga
Debbie H/SL13&21 | VINNY, GA
VINNY | Bruce , hypothetically, if you lived in
| an area that
| was full of Ufo activity and seen crafts
| , or
| whatever come out of the ground,say you
| have all
Bruce Maccabee | Estimate from the photo that the UF was about
| 4,000 ft away, about 30 feet wide and 15 feet
| high
VINNY | ready looked for the entrances to their
| underground installations what eles would
| you
| use to find"them" and what do you do if
| you find
| "them"?Alsoany devises that I can use to
| help
| find "them"? You have seen my devise
| posts
| before and told me to go to Mufon but they
| to me
| arent doing anything about Ufo's I have
| seen
| them in action and they really dont
| seem
| interested!
| GA
Bruce Maccabee | I don't know where you are located... and I
| don't know if t here is a MUFON investigator
| near
| you. You hve mentioned a UFO detector that
| didn't work in you Enc. posts. P?erhaps a
| compass t ype magnetic detector would work.
| However, nothing short of 24 hour
| surveillance is "Guaranteed" to provide
| evidence/// sai.d survellanc e carried out
| with video
| cameras for documentation. GA
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Does anyone else have a question for Bruce?
Daniel Roberts | ?
Bruce Maccabee | I have to go SOON
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Daniel, GA
| Last question then, Bruce.
Sarek | Thanks for your time Bruce, Do you have an
| E-mail adress you can share
Daniel Roberts | Crystalline structures and UFO contact--Minas
| Gerais of Brazil and even our own mt
| Tamalpais here in N. Calif--can you comment,
| Bruce?
Bruce Maccabee | I am not familiar with t he place you name in
| CA. so, no comment
| Email to 72326,3625
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Okay, let's go informal, then.
Bruce Maccabee | gaz
Daniel Roberts | Another time, then! TNX!
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Thanks, Bruce!!!
| We appreciate it!
VINNY | Thanks Bruce
Debbie H/SL13&21 | So, talk amongst yourselves.
Bruce Maccabee | TEN FOUR.. see ya 'round....
Frank Stanley | hank you for you time bruce
| Apprecaite your visit
Daniel Roberts | Deb: Anyone else know about the relationship
| between massive crystalline structures and
| UFO activity?
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Not that I'm aware of, Daniel.
VINNY | nope Dan
Lynda | Sounds like a Star Trek Next Gen to me
| Daniel
Daniel Roberts | No dilithium around here, Lynda!
Sarek | Well alrighty then What's the new topic that
| we all know something about?
VINNY | ok
Daniel Roberts | Dreams?
Debbie H/SL13&21 | Folks, I've gotta run - have fun! Bye!
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